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How Satan used the United States government in the 1950's to create 'new light'.
by was a new boy in'legal concerns seem to be a factor behind the watchtower society reversing its position and allowing vaccinations from the 1950's.'.
"the matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself... and our society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out.
" watchtower 1952 dec 15 p.764.
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26:58 -N H Knorr's sister took blood ?'Mr. Knorr leaves his wife, the former Audrey Mock, and a sister, Isabel Knorr. A private service will be held tomorrow at 8 P.M. at the Wallkill Kingdom Hall.' -
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How Satan used the United States government in the 1950's to create 'new light'.
by was a new boy in'legal concerns seem to be a factor behind the watchtower society reversing its position and allowing vaccinations from the 1950's.'.
"the matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself... and our society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out.
" watchtower 1952 dec 15 p.764.
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58:54 Feds investigating Watchtower
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How Satan used the United States government in the 1950's to create 'new light'.
by was a new boy in'legal concerns seem to be a factor behind the watchtower society reversing its position and allowing vaccinations from the 1950's.'.
"the matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself... and our society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out.
" watchtower 1952 dec 15 p.764.
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'Legal concerns seem to be a factor behind the Watchtower Society reversing its position and allowing vaccinations from the 1950's.'"The matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself... And our Society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out." Watchtower 1952 Dec 15 p.764
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/medical.php#vaccinations
'After consideration of the matter,' (with the Feds breathing down our neck) ...
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1952926?q=vaccinations&p=doc
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Bill & Joan Cetnar Expose Watchtower Claims
by Sea Breeze inin this classic interview with john ankerberg, bill and joan cetnar expose many outlandish watchtower claims.
it is a major part of ex-jw history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcwrmtfdeji&t=709s&ab_channel=mr.alithea .
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'Bill and Joan’s son (and our friend) Phil Cetnar sent us the eulogy which he gave at Joan’s funeral this past Monday. He gave us permission to include it a slightly edited version of what is an insider’s view of the impact of their choices:'
'When I was in my early teens, the four of us children were invited to dinner at Grandma and Grandpa’s. Not an unusual event, since even though my parents were shunned by her family all of their lives, they encouraged their children to have a relationship with their grandparents.
This night, however, we were presented with a momentous choice: we could remain believers in Christ and receive no inheritance from our grandparents or join Jehovah’s Witnesses and receive the inheritance that was denied to our parents.
I remember the utter disbelief I felt. I thought, “You want me to give up my eternal life for a farm?” I don’t remember my exact words, but we all declined the offer. I was beginning to realize why our discussions were fruitless. They valued something else more highly than truth.'
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Two gems from February 2023 Study Watchtower
by BoogerMan infebruary 2023 study watchtower: .
p. 16, par.
5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!
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'How do you incubate a mind virus? How do you cause a culture to self-destruct?In 1984, this KGB defector exposed the secret 4-stage plan used by Soviet intelligence to wage psychological war on American society.Stage 1: Demoralization. (15-20 years)85% of KGB action was not spying, but ideological warfare.The aim was to change Americans' perception of reality so that "no one is able to come to sensible conclusions."This loss of reality then weakens the family, community, country—and the self.Stage 2: Destabilization (2-5 years)Once a society is demoralized, its weakness and unwillingness to defend itself is exploited to undermine the military, economy & foreign affairs.Stage 3-4: Crisis & Normalization (6 weeks)A weakened society is easily brought to crisis, causing a "violent change of power, structure, and economy." A benevolent dictator who makes grandiose promises could then be installed to bring things back to "normal."In 1984, KGB defector Bezmenov warned the demoralization of the US was nearly complete After the final crisis, all those who helped in subversion will have no further use, he adds. "They will be lined up against the wall and shot."If Americans fail to grasp the impending danger, he said, "nothing ever can help the United States." “You may kiss goodbye to your freedom.”"A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. ... When a military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand. But not before that." -
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That wife who was raped at Watchtower Farms; can seek justice, starting tomorrow.
by was a new boy ini recall reading here that a wife was raped at watchtower farms some years ago (can't find it here anymore) by a another bethelite wearing a red flannel shirt.
they found his shirt and booted him.. 'hundreds of new york women are about to sue alleged rapists (and enablers) under a revolutionary new law.
watch out, donald trump.. .
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Found it - page 2, 4th commentWe had one rape when I was at the Farm. The sister could only remember that the "brother" was wearing red plaid shirt. Sooo the Farm overseer had all the brothers go outside after breakfest and stand in the parking lot. While we were out in the parking lot every room was inspected for this type of shirt. To this day I will NOT buy any red plaid shirt!'3 hours ago
'from mann377 to was a new boy
I think I wrote that. I was there when it happened in 1973 (April). After breakfast we (all brothers) were asked to go to the parking lot (between E building and the B building) and wait for instructions. I though "what the hell". This sister was lead around and looked at the brothers while the home servant and others went through the rooms looking for a red plaid shirt (I found out about the red plaid shirt later, you know how things spread fast at Bethel). The brother was a recent construction worker.'
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That wife who was raped at Watchtower Farms; can seek justice, starting tomorrow.
by was a new boy ini recall reading here that a wife was raped at watchtower farms some years ago (can't find it here anymore) by a another bethelite wearing a red flannel shirt.
they found his shirt and booted him.. 'hundreds of new york women are about to sue alleged rapists (and enablers) under a revolutionary new law.
watch out, donald trump.. .
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'The Department of Corrections and Community Supervision, the state agency that manages prisons, will see some of the first cases.
Attorneys expect the number of cases to grow during the window that ends Nov. 24, 2023. The majority of cases they file come from Black and brown women once held in state prisons, Slater said.'
'None of us were heard': Adult Survivors Act opens window for formerly incarcerated to sue
Eduardo Cuevas
Rockland/Westchester Journal NewsAD-1:0-2- More than 750 women plan to sue New York State for sexual assault inside prisons and jails
- The state Adult Survivors Act builds on the 2019 Child Victims Act
- Cases filed in the yearlong window are expected to increase, attorneys say
Wanda Santalis told few others, beyond her mother and husband, about the unwanted touching and groping she said she suffered while incarcerated at Manhattan's Bayview Correctional Facility.
The 37-year-old mother of five compared the state women's prison to a maze. Tight aisles had little visibility from others, she recalled.
It was there, between October 2010 and May 2011, that she said officers sexually assaulted her. One programming officer, she said, kissed her neck and forced his hands inside her body. Another officer groped her, she said. A third put his hand down her pants. Both of those times, she added, she was handcuffed.
“None of us were heard,” said Santalis, who now lives in Schenectady. “No one knew what was happening. I thought, like, the world was blinded.”
When the one-year window for filing lawsuits in New York under the new Adults Survivors Act opens Thursday, Santalis will be among more than 750 women alleging they suffered sexual assault inside the state's prisons and jails.
Signed into law by Gov. Kathy Hochul in May, the Adult Survivors Act allows for alleged victims of abuse to sue people or institutions, regardless of when the incident may have taken place. The act builds on the Child Victims Act, which brought thousands of lawsuits by people who came forward to report sexual abuse when they were minors.
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Some of the accusations within the state's prisons date back more than four decades.
Santalis decided to come forward after seeing lawsuits announced on Facebook. Recently, she said a friend who was also at Bayview told her the staff assaulted her, too.
"It's not just me," Santalis said. "I'm not alone."
The new law not only allows people accused of committing sexual assault to be held accountable in civil claims, but it also applies to institutions and employers that permitted sexual assault, or failed to respond. The Department of Corrections and Community Supervision, the state agency that manages prisons, will see some of the first cases.
“What they were given was a lifetime of trauma they don’t deserve,” said Adam Slater, an attorney at Slater Slater Schulman LLP, which has joined with civil rights attorney Ben Crump to represent Santalis and other women suing state prisons and local jails. “They were kind of a forgotten part of society. That made it easier for the state to ignore what was going on.”
Attorneys expect the number of cases to grow during the window that ends Nov. 24, 2023. The majority of cases they file come from Black and brown women once held in state prisons, Slater said.
In a statement, DOCCS spokesman Thomas Mailey said the department has “zero tolerance” for sexual abuse, sexual harassment and unauthorized relationships. “The Department thoroughly investigates all reports of sexual victimization, including unauthorized relationships, and retaliation against any individuals who report incidents or cooperate with those investigations,” he said.
“Staff have an affirmative duty to report any knowledge, suspicion, or information regarding an incident of sexual abuse or sexual harassment, and any unauthorized relationship,” he said. “Individuals who violate Department rules are disciplined by the Department and when there is evidence that a crime was committed, DOCCS refers those cases for criminal prosecution to the fullest extent permitted by law.”
Prisons and jails named
Of the 755 people represented by Slater and Crump, 222 cases, the most of any prison, are said to have occurred at Bayview Correctional Facility, a women’s prison in Manhattan that shuttered after damage sustained from Superstorm Sandy in 2012.
Albion women’s prison, near Rochester, has 164 cases. Other prisons include Bedford Hills and Taconic, both in Westchester County, with 79 and 54 cases, respectively; and Rikers Island, the New York City complex, with 64 cases.
The lawsuits allege the state had direct knowledge of sexual violence in its prisons, particularly Bayview. Claims against the state can't have individual people as co-defendants, so attorneys for people formerly incarcerated plan to determine whether they also bring cases against individuals, Slater's firm said.
A 1985 report on Bayview’s conditions by the Correctional Association of New York, a nonprofit with state authority to monitor prisons, described a “continuing problem of sexual abuse and harassment,” citing investigations against guards, who were overwhelmingly men. This included verbal harassment and sexual contact.
In a 2010 report on sexual assault in prisons and jails in 2008 and 2009, the U.S. Department of Justice said Bayview had the second-highest percentage of people incarcerated reporting sexual abuse-related physical force or threat of force in the country. Bayview also had the highest reported rate of sexual misconduct by prison staff.
Jacqueline Wiggins, 58, said a Bayview officer in 1995 raped her while she was incarcerated. The officer then threatened her with preventing her work release, she told reporters at a press conference announcing the lawsuits at Manhattan’s Federal Plaza on Nov. 16. She was joined by two other women who accused state correctional officers of sexually assaulting them while they were incarcerated.
“Their job is to protect me and guide me, and make sure that I lead a productive life,” Wiggins said. “Not sexually assault me.”
Adult Survivors Act:Donald Trump faces new lawsuit from E. Jean Carroll, who's already suing him for defamation
'Finally have their truth be told'
The Adult Survivors Act expands on the 2019 Child Victims Act that created a window to file lawsuits otherwise barred by statutes of limitations.
The new law aims to help people seek justice in court who were previously left out, said state Sen. Brad Hoylman, D-Manhattan, the new law's sponsor.
“It’s transformative for the individual to finally have their truth be told before a judge and a jury to rectify, hopefully, a very sorrowful and painful personal situation,” he said.
Additionally, he said, “in some cases, it may lead to systemic policy changes, as in the case of the formerly incarcerated women who clearly didn’t have the protections of the system when they were harassed, abused and raped under the care of New York State.”
The lawsuits set to be filed by formerly incarcerated people are just a fraction of those seeking to hold people and institutions accountable.
On Thanksgiving, columnist E. Jean Carroll also plans to file a lawsuit against former President Donald Trump under the Adult Survivors Act for battery 27 years ago. Carroll has accused Trump of rape, which he has denied. She’s also suing him for defamation with the sexual assault allegations due to his denials and comments about the case.
It’s been five years since the #MeToo movement was popularized after multiple sexual assault allegations over decades by Harvey Weinstein, who was convicted of rape.
Marissa Hoechstetter, an advocate and survivor who helped pass New York’s law, said there’s a greater understanding and public discourse on trauma and its effects. This includes when people acknowledge their experience, let alone tell other people or seek a legal recourse.
“The culture has changed,” she said, “and our laws need to catch up with that.”
More information
If you are in need of confidential support, call the National Sexual Assault Hotline at 800-656-4673 or chat online at online.rainn.org.
Eduardo Cuevas covers race and justice for the USA TODAY Network of New York. He can be reached at [email protected] and followed on Twitter @eduardomcuevas.
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That wife who was raped at Watchtower Farms; can seek justice, starting tomorrow.
by was a new boy ini recall reading here that a wife was raped at watchtower farms some years ago (can't find it here anymore) by a another bethelite wearing a red flannel shirt.
they found his shirt and booted him.. 'hundreds of new york women are about to sue alleged rapists (and enablers) under a revolutionary new law.
watch out, donald trump.. .
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I recall reading here that a wife was raped at Watchtower Farms some years ago (can't find it here anymore) by a another Bethelite wearing a red flannel shirt. They found his shirt and booted him.
'Hundreds of New York Women Are About to Sue Alleged Rapists (and Enablers) Under a Revolutionary New Law
Watch out, Donald Trump.
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Fight disinformation: Sign up for the free Mother Jones Daily newsletter and follow the news that matters.For years, former president Donald Trump has been able to push off a lawsuit filed against him by E. Jean Carroll, a writer and advice columnist who says he raped her in a department store dressing room in the mid-1990s. When Carroll decided to come forward—describing the alleged assault in a book excerpt in 2019—Trump had been president for two years, and the statute of limitations to bring criminal charges or a lawsuit against him had long since passed. Carroll sued Trump for defamation instead, arguing that he’d smeared her in statements to reporters in which he denied he knew her, accused her of fabricating her story to sell books, and insulted her appearance—and has spent years tied up in court, fending off interference from the Justice Department and endless bids for delay.
Now, Carroll and thousands of other sexual assault survivors in New York state are getting a new chance to seek legal accountability against people who harmed them years or decades ago. Under the Adult Survivors Act, New Yorkers who were sexually assaulted as adults but who have run out of time to seek accountability in court will have a one-year “lookback window” to sue their abusers, as well as institutions that were negligent in responding to the assault. While many states have experimented with lookback windows to allow child sexual abuse victim to bring civil claims, the New York law marks only the second time such a grace period has been extended to people who were adults at the time of the assault. (New Jersey was the first.) In a way, the new law is an acknowledgement of the many barriers—ongoing trauma, shame, and fear of retaliation, not to mention ineffective policing—that have prevented survivors from pursuing justice in court. “The fight against sexual assault requires us to recognize the impact of trauma within our justice system,” Gov. Kathy Hochul said when signing the bill.
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Until 2019, survivors of second- and third-degree rape in New York State had just five years to get a prosecutor to file criminal charges against their assailant, and typically, even less time to pursue a civil lawsuit. The statute of limitations was extended that year, but it didn’t apply retroactively, meaning that many survivors never had a chance at a court verdict or settlement. “The Adult Survivors Act is the latest step in the state legislature’s reckoning with outdated and ineffective statute limitations for survivors of sexual violence,” Michael Polenberg, vice president of government affairs at New York City victim-support organization Safe Horizon, in a recent webinar. Survivors will have one year to file their suits.
In 2019, New York opened a similar look-back window for survivors of childhood sexual abuse. By the time the window closed in 2021, nearly 11,000 lawsuits had been filed under the Child Victims Act, including 3,336 cases involving the Catholic Church. And while many are still ongoing, some have reached settlements: Prince Andrew, an associate of Jeffrey Epstein, settled a Child Victims Act claim by Virginia Giuffre in February, weeks before he would have been required to sit for a deposition about her abuse allegation. While most lawsuits were filed against relatively deep-pocketed institutions that had allegedly covered up or enabled abuse, some survivors filed against individuals: a former a Lutheran pastor, an elementary school teacher, and others. One plaintiff, who won a $25 million jury verdict against a now-80 year old Boy Scout leader, told a Buffalo News reporter in March that the verdict was meaningful not for the money because jury had believed him and validated experiences. “I probably won’t get a penny out of this, but putting a dollar amount on it makes people know how horrendous it was,” he said.
As the Child Victims Act lookback period came to a close in 2021, survivor advocates undertook a massive effort to pass a similar bill for adult victims. One obstacle: intransigence in the state Assembly, as former Gov. Andrew Cuomo still clung to power amid a torrent of sexual assault and harassment allegations. It took until May 24 of this year—months after Cuomo ceded the governorship—for the act to pass and be signed by Gov. Kathy Hochul. (Cuomo continues to deny the allegations against him. Whether he might face a lawsuit under the new law is still unclear; Charlotte Bennett, a former aide who was one of the first to come forward against the governor, didn’t need it for her lawsuit against Cuomo and his top staffers, since the statute of limitations had not yet expired.)
As with the Child Victims Act, hundreds, if not thousands, of cases are expected to flood the state court system shortly. One firm, Slater Slater and Schulman, has already announced it will be representing at least 750 formerly incarcerated women alleging systemic sexual abuse in New York’s prison and jail systems. State or county governments failed to prevent corrections officers from sexually abusing women while they were in custody, despite knowing that abuse was happening, according to the firm, which is working with civil rights attorney Ben Crump, known for representing the families of Black victims of police violence.
For example, a 1985 report by the Correctional Association of New York found a pattern of “coerced sexual contact” by the majority-male staff Bayview, a medium-security prison in Manhattan where officers “threatened prisoners with disciplinary action or removal from a program if they refused to engage in sexual conduct.” But in the years after, the abuse allegedly continued: Jacquiline Wiggins, now a 58-year-old nurse, told the New York Times that a Bayview guard raped her repeatedly during her incarceration there in the 1990s. She says she still remembers the guard’s haircut, body odor, and teeth, but told no one in the years since—until she learned about New York’s new law. “I suppressed it,” Wiggins told the Times. “I kept it down in my gut. I didn’t think I was worthy. I didn’t think anyone would care.” She’s now one of 200 Bayview plaintiffs suing under the Adult Survivors Act.
As for Carroll, her lawyer informed a federal judge in September that they would be filling a lawsuit in New York when the look-back window opens. A preliminary version of her lawsuit, filed with the court last week, accuses the former president of battery, saying his conduct amounted to first-degree rape.
“We’re finally at the point where we’re about to storm the courts with these really important cases,” victims rights lawyer Carrie Goldberg said in the Safe Horizon webinar teaching survivors about the new law. On Monday, Goldberg’s firm announced it would be working with employment lawyer Susan Crumiller to file cases under the new law—an initiative they call the Survivors Law Project. Litigation isn’t for every survivor, Goldberg warns: It can be an emotionally taxing, grueling process with “the person who may have caused you the most trauma in your life.”
The new law, Goldberg says, isn’t just important for her as a lawyer. She’s also considering whether to file an Adult Survivors Act lawsuit of her own. “I’m weighing the very thing that our clients do,” she says. “How will this impact me emotionally? Energetically? My time? What supports do I have in place?” She’s decided to go through the intake process at her own firm, to lay out all her options. “Just because I know the law,” she says, “doesn’t mean the emotional toll of engaging in litigation about something traumatic is any different than what our clients go through.”
Update, November 23: This story has been updated to note that Cuomo denies the allegations against him.'
Would be surprised if only women sued.
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New Release: Bible Teach book and new light on 1914
by JoeGeneration in"new light!
(looking for opinions on this line of reasoning)
the basis for doing away with the 1914 doctrine may have been laid in this new book.
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AlanF17 years ago
Nevertheless, I think the Society will eventually drop 1914. But the way they do it will probably surprise all observers.
logansrun17 years ago
I don't think the Society will ever change it's 1914 date.
No need to change 1914, just make an addition.In 2019, (100 years from when Jesus picked The Faithful Slave), somehow Satan and the demons made it back to heaven through the back door, and immediately got thrown out of heaven again along with 'recent' 144,000 apostates (who woke up, and said ,'This ain't gonna work out) in heaven.Episode 8: DEFEATING DECEIT & TRIUMPHING OVER TYRANNY - -
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Does praying for “all those who are in positions of authority,” include the 'deep state' and all subsequent coverup's?
by was a new boy indefinition of deep state.
: an alleged secret network of especially nonelected government officials and sometimes private entities (as in the financial services and defense industries) operating extralegally to influence and enact government policy.
the power of the deep state comes from experience, knowledge, relationships, insight, craft, special skills, traditions, and shared values.
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Even with taking into account the low educational level on the totem pole of most reading this, that is if PEW is correct. Compared with other U.S. religious groups, Jehovah’s Witnesses tend to be less educated.
Mr. Cole recommends having a five year old join you to help understand what he's talking about @ 34:31 min.